Michael Bang Petersen, Mathias Osmundsen, and Kevin Arceneaux, a team of political scientists, donât concern themselves with what people believe. Belief is a private act, they say. People tend to believe information not because itâs factual, not because itâs based on expert opinion, but because it aligns with their existing worldview. What interests these scientists is the moment when belief turns to public actionâwhen people click âshare.â
In the 2016 election cycle, Arceneaux, Osmundsen, and Petersen observed a proliferation of hostile political rumorsâan umbrella term encompassing conspiracy theories, misinformation, and malicious amplification of scandals. Many of the rumors circulating online had a political targetâObama is a Muslim, or the Democrats secretly operate a pedophilia ringâbut they contained a larger accusation as well, one that went beyond politics and seemed to call the entire political class and social order into question. The stories seemed to be saying: The system is rigged.
In other words, the motivation for much of the misinformation and rumormongering online wasnât only partisan or strategic in nature. Something else was going on. The scientists concluded that a primary driver was the desire to inflict chaos.
After disinformation was shown to have had effects on the outcome of the US presidential election and the Brexit referendum, Arceneaux, Osmundsen, and Petersen decided to create a system to measure the desire to create chaos. Last summer, their resulting work, âA âNeed for Chaosâ and the Sharing of Hostile Political Rumors in Advanced Democracies,â received the award for best political psychology paper from the American Political Science Association.
In the paper, which is currently making its way through the review process for publication, the scientists identify a personality trait they call Need for Chaos. To measure it they conducted surveys with 5,157 participants in the United States and 1,336 in Denmark. (Petersen and Osmundsen are professors at Aarhus University in Denmark; Arceneaux is a professor at Temple University in the United States.) One survey question asked:
âI need chaos around meâit is too boring if nothing is going on.â Agree or disagree?
Another:
âI get a kick when natural disasters strike in foreign countries.â Agree or disagree?
And:
âWhen I think about our political and social institutions, I cannot help thinking âjust let them all burn.âââ Agree or disagree?
In response to this last question, 40 percent of respondents did not disagree. The percentage who agreed with other nihilistic statements was also high. Arceneaux, Osmundsen, and Petersen were shocked.
Their work seeks to understand why this nihilism is so widespread. Their paper gives credit to pop culture for picking up on an ambient craving for chaos before political scientists got there. They quote the character Alfred in the 2008 movie The Dark Knight, speaking about the Joker: âSome men arenât looking for anything logical, like money. They canât be bought, bullied, reasoned or negotiated with. Some men just want to watch the world burn.â
Likewise, in Fight Club, released in 1999, Tyler Durden rails against consumerist culture: âWeâre the middle children of history, man. No purpose or place. We have no Great War, no Great Depression. Our Great Warâs a spiritual warâour Great Depression is our lives. Weâve all been raised on television to believe that one day weâd all be millionaires and movie gods and rock stars. But we wonât. And weâre slowly learning that fact. And weâre very, very pissed off.â
In June 2017, Richard Spencer rehashed similar rhetoric at a rally for Identity Evropa, a neo-Nazi white-supremacist group:
As the Cold War ended, liberalism and Americanism lost its enemy. It lost its boogeyman. And it began to feel that history was over.⌠You have no future. Youâre an individual, bouncing around on the internet between various consumer choices, social lifestyles, and sexual orientations.⌠We arenât fighting for freedom. We arenât fighting for the Constitution.⌠We are fundamentally fighting for meaning in our lives.⌠We are fighting to be powerful again in a sea of weakness and hopelessness. That is our battle.
In their paper, Arceneaux, Osmundsen, and Petersen donât draw a necessary connection between Need for Chaos behavior and white supremacy or violence. The survey results are based on the âthoughts and behaviors that people are motivated to entertain when they sit alone (and, perhaps, lonely) in front of the computer,â they write. But the scientists do associate the urge to share hostile political rumors with âstronger animosity against the target group.â
Seven weeks after Spencerâs âend of historyâ speech, the Unite the Right rally in Charlottesville, Virginia, exploded in violence. This spring, online disinformation about the covid-19 pandemic gained traction amid the lack of a unified government response, and rumors formed about violent and disruptive instigators in the turmoil of protests sparked by the death of George Floyd. Now the country approaches a divisive presidential election, and the potential for those who crave chaos to wreak havoc is greater than ever. I spoke with Kevin Arceneaux about where the Need for Chaos comes from, how the pandemic is influencing disinformation online, and how journalists can best cover chaos agents in the lead-up to the presidential election. This interview has been condensed from multiple conversations and edited for clarity.
DarrachâWhat do you know about these agents of chaos?
ArceneauxâWe know that they tend to be younger, a bit more male, a bit better off socioeconomically, like middle class or upper middle class. The racial demographics are overwhelmingly white. So they occupy what people on the outside would see as a privileged place in society, but they donât feel privileged. In fact they feel abandoned by society, like theyâve lost out.
People high on Need for Chaos donât have one state. There are lots of ways by which people get there. The one thing they have in common is they want respect and they feel like they donât have it. They feel marginalized. Even if an outsider might think, âHey, wait a second, you live in a nice house. You have all these privileges. Why donât you feel respected?â they will tell you, âI donât.â
DarrachâWhy do they feel marginalized?
ArceneauxâMaybe in part because social progress has involved recognizing minorities and women, these folks feel like theyâre losing the respect that they deserve. The trigger is a feeling of âThe way the world was before, it would have been my oyster, and now thatâs slipping away from me.â
On a psychological level, people who tested high on Need for Chaos also tend to be higher on certain other measures. For instance, one is Social Dominance Orientation, which is a fancy way of saying somebody who has a worldview that divides the world into âstrongâ and âweakâ groups and who wants their group to be the dominant one.
These folks like inequality. They like hierarchies. They look out into the world and they say, âMy group should be at the topâwhy isnât it? Why do I perceive it slipping?â
Another track we see is people high in valuing reputation and status, but who perceive that theyâre low status. So perhaps thereâs a socially awkward loner kid. He is in some sense marginalized, but by his peer group, not by society.
DarrachâI read you Spencerâs âend of historyâ speech. He wasnât selling his cause as a political fight, but rather as a fight to reclaim meaning in life. Does that strategy seem to be directed toward a similar demographic?
ArceneauxâWe see that people who score higher in Need for Chaos are more likely to share hostile rumors or to behave in nihilistic ways. Thatâs true even if we account for personality disorders. Itâs not explained away by saying theyâre all sociopaths or weirdos.
Just because you win the Cold War and youâre well off doesnât mean youâre happy. Theyâre the kind of folks who are bouncing around on the internet, searching for their identity and feeling excluded. So that discourse keys into exactly the kind of animus that these people are feeling.
As the country approaches a divisive presidential election, those who crave chaos may wreak more havoc than ever.
DarrachâYou included a question on boredom in your survey. Do you tie that back to the feeling that a meaningful connection to the world is absent?
ArceneauxâItâs interestingâit doesnât seem like this is some sort of groundswell thatâs coming from actual deprivation, or being on the outskirts of society, or being marginalized in an economic or racial sense. If you have to work two, three jobs to put food on your table, you donât have time to be bored.
One thing I learned from having to move all my instruction online really quickly is that a number of my students didnât have reliable access to the internet once they left campus. So even the ability to sit around in your underwear and forward hostile political rumors is also kind of a luxury.
DarrachâAnd instigating chaos will break up the boredom? Give life meaning?
ArceneauxâThese people seem to have a special sense about chaos having a potential to play a positive, strategic role. Other people would say chaos is a bad thing. These people have a tendency to say, âNo, chaos can be useful to me.â
Itâs not that they want there to be chaos all the time. Bullies, for example, use different tactics to get people to do what they want. Need for Chaos is a character adaptation. It falls in the middle ground between a personality trait, which is super stable, and a state people have that changes from context to context. People have a disposition thatâs triggered by a context. So for people who really care about their reputation, really care about dominance, if you put them in a place where they feel marginalized, this turns on for them.
In a very minor way, what we did was to create the feeling of marginalization in an experimental setup. Psychologists have done this. We had people play a game of catch on a computer screen. At some point, the people theyâre playing catch with exclude them. We found it moved people up a little bit on the scale of Need for Chaos. Exclusion makes you feel bad, and maybe you want to get back at people. But among the people who were high on the scale of Need for Chaos, when you put them in the marginalized position, they really act out.
DarrachâIs this trait a unique product of the moment we are living in? How much does political and social context play in?
ArceneauxâIt exists in all times. Think about Holden Caulfield. There are people who are predisposed to say, âI want to throw the Man off,â whoever the Man is. âAnd the way I do that is screw up everything.â
Look at whatâs happened over the past century or so: as inequality increases, you see an increase in discontent, and that discontent isnât just among people who find themselves at the bottom of the economic ladder.
Fight Club is this interesting story at the end of the 1990s, which now we can sort of look back on almost as a reincarnation of the 1950sâgood times were here again, the economy was roaring, the Cold War had ended. But there was also all this dark stuff going on underneath, in terms of banks and the beginning of the growth in income inequality becoming apparent. Fight Club is about taking on these evil corporate entities that are trying to control us through consumerism. Itâs a really interesting zeitgeist from that period.
DarrachâWe are still sifting through the disinformation that played into the 2016 election. Do you identify any social context from that time that would have triggered Need for Chaos actors?
ArceneauxâI think that it has to do with the continuing increases in income inequality for the middle class. In this time period weâre seeing things like Gamergate, the rise of white nationalism. People who are directly making the argument, âWe used to be in this dominant positionâââweâ being white or maleââand now we perceive that itâs slipping. We have to rip the system down and build it back up in a way that puts us back on top.â I mean, thatâs what these people are asking for.
So in some ways these two trends over the past twenty years, of increasing income inequality and also increasing diversity, could be responsible for triggering the same sort of outcome.
DarrachâDoes it also stem from the Obama presidency, then?
ArceneauxâI think the data agrees with that, but I should say that the Need for Chaos doesnât mean the individual supports Trump. I should be really clear about that. What weâre finding, just in terms of chaos, is it doesnât seem like itâs owned by one political group. Itâs broader than politics; it goes beyond politics.
Among those who care about politics, if the status they worry about is being a white male, yeah, I think that we can make the argument that those folks are going to be the people that gravitate to Trump.
DarrachâGravitate to Trump and away from Obama?
ArceneauxâI would say away from Obama as well as away from the other establishment Republican candidates. So Jeb Bush, too.
If you want to talk about specific people and their concerns and their worries about why theyâre marginalized, I think I can make a case that those particular people would see someone like Trump, or even someone like Sanders, as âYeah, letâs burn it all down.â But theyâre going to be very different people, right? They might both be high on Need for Chaos. But the Trump voter might be different than the Sanders voter.
DarrachâDid the agents of chaos you identified affect the result of 2016?
ArceneauxâIf what we found is correct since 2016, then the answer would be yes, in the sense that these would be the folks spreading all sorts of fake stuff on social media. Not just about Hillary Clinton, but also about Trump. Creating noise. These people would be the exact right people for amplifying Russian propaganda. People still debate about how much of an effect that had on the outcome of the 2016 election, but we certainly know that it was an aspect of the 2016 election.
DarrachâAnd what about the conditions now, in 2020? We are living through a global pandemic, preparing for another election.
ArceneauxâWe live in a world that has internet and social media and allows rumors and vile memes to travel at light speed. Now put that in a context with an immense amount of uncertainty, and an immense amount of pain, both economic pain and a disease thatâs causing death and destruction. I think this might be one of those situational triggers for people that pushes them over the edge and triggers a latent Need for Chaos. I think the pandemic can exacerbate it. You have more people than before feeling marginalized, sitting at their computer, and seeing this as a way to create chaos.
This is going to be a very weird election. You can imagine rumors about the role that China has to play in this, whether or not this virus was invented to take down Trump, whether or not voting is really secure. Iâm pretty sure that state agents of chaos, such as Russia, are going to try to do again what they did in 2016. And, in part because of the pandemic, they might have a larger army of folks willing to pass along that misinformation, which then will be dutifully reported on by the mainstream mediaâŚspreading it further.
DarrachâMuch of the recent coverage of the Black Lives Matter uprisings against police brutality has depicted them as chaotic rather than largely peaceful. Minnesota governor Tim Walz referred to the protests as âwanton violenceâ and âwanton destruction.â Many conservatives blamed antifa members for the rioting that took place, though that has been disproved. What do you think of claims that people are infiltrating the protests for the purpose of instigating violence?
ArceneauxâI would say that people who are higher in Need for Chaos do support whatâs been termed violent activism, which includes fighting with the police, looting, these kinds of things. Whether they are actually doing that here, I donât think we can say without data. I would be willing to wager money that people who are high Need for Chaos might have gone out just to create chaos. But, given the broad turnout at these protests, they would be a minor element.
We developed this concept to understand why people share hostile political rumors online, and not why people do other kinds of political activities, such as protests. So a lot more thought has to be put into how Need for Chaos translates into more visible political actions.
DarrachâDo you have any sense of what kind of media chaos agents consume?
ArceneauxâThey tend to sample from all over, not just left or right. They tend to traffic extremist websites that essentially peddleâŚconspiracy theories. Sites Iâd never heard of.
The mainstream sites are boring. Youâre not going to get that crazy story to spread that says that Warren Buffett invented the coronavirus, or the QAnon stuff. Where the hell does that stuff come from? The New York Times isnât writing those stories. They come from chat rooms like 4chan and 8chan. Those are the places where those things are born, and then they get a life by people posting them on blogs and then spreading them on social media.
âSome use conspiracy theories as a tool to hammer away at the foundations of a system that they think needs to fall. They donât care if itâs true or not.â
DarrachâWhat have you seen on social media since this pandemic started that bears the hallmarks of high Need for Chaos?
ArceneauxâRight now itâs conspiracy theories about the origins of the coronavirus, about how powerful and secretive elitesâincluding the media, of courseâare blowing this out of proportion and itâs not as bad as theyâre saying, blah blah blah. Those are the things that are going to spread like wildfire.
Iâm quite sure that our Need for Chaos folks are sharing those, whether or not they believe them, because they can get eyeballs and create chaos. But it fits their worldview, too. These faceless, horrible elites, trying to screw them overââletâs create chaos so that we ruin the plans.â
People ask me sometimes why people would believe this crazy stuff when itâs obviously ridiculous. Well, some of them believe it. Some people say, âThis is b.s. I shouldnât be cooped up in my house, I shouldnât have to wear a face mask.â But some of them just use this as a tool to hammer away at the foundations of a system that they think needs to fall. They donât care if itâs true or not.
DarrachâWeâre so polarized right now. You either believe that science is sacrosanct or you believe that this is a plot to dethrone Trump, and thereâs not much room in the middle. Does that create more space for high Need for Chaos actors to share hostile political rumors that people will actually believe?
ArceneauxâYes, it does. We know this from our work on ethnic riots. When youâre in a polarized political or even social situation, an âus versus themâ situation of intense competition, hostile rumors are more likely to gain traction. Thatâs largely because there are people who just hate the other side, so either they believe that the other side is doing horrible things or they see, âAh, this is a useful tool. I can mobilize others to fight against people who are evil, whether I believe this or not. Hillary Clinton probably doesnât have a child sex ring up in a pizza parlor. But what if I can get people to believe that?â
Even in a pandemic, where you would hope weâd say, âOkay, letâs put all this stuff aside, weâre all human beings and Americans, letâs face this threat together,â there are some people who feel the world is still divided into Team D and Team R. If anything, the pandemic makes it worse.
You have to separate out the people who are high on the Need for Chaos. Theyâre in their own special box. The rest of us, weâre trapped up in this us-versus-them warfare. And so we can be sometimes used as dupes by these folks who are high Need for Chaos. They are trying to spread rumors, so sometimes they get people who are partisans to believe and transmit their rumors. The motivation of a partisan is an urge to show the world how bad those crappy Republicans, or Democrats, are. The motivation of someone who is high Need for Chaos is just to spread chaos.
DarrachâHow can the media better respond to chaos agents?
ArceneauxâThe media focuses on political tactics rather than substance, and that increases political distrust. There is also evidence that when there is a lot of coverage using the term âfake news,â it drives down trust in the media. Then misinformation is no longer the story. More dangerous is the circulation of half truths, or stories where thereâs an element of truth with different, tactical framingâitâs powerful in the same way propaganda is powerful. Most importantly, fact checks donât help except among a very small segment of readers. The real problem is people offline, so it is more effective when the media focuses coverage on whoâs spreading misinformation and what their motives are, rather than framing the rumors they spread seriously. Otherwise, mainstream journalists play into the hands of chaos agents. Instead, invert the script. See it as all coming from the same noise machine, and write about the noise machine.
Amanda Darrach is a contributor to CJR and a visiting scholar at the University of St Andrews School of International Relations. Follow her on Twitter @thedarrach.